Climate Chaos Films (Free to download)

by John Sun Jan 03, 2010 20:30

Science Fiction. You have summed it up nicely.
Only I'd put much more emphasis on energy consumption, use of resources, decision-making and what we can all collectively and individually do to create resilient communities and economies. Models exist for all of this.
We don't know how will they work long term but we for sure have enough info, skills and resources within our reach to get started, which beats sitting around waiting for the big boys to sort it out for us/ screw us over, or alternatively for some manmade or natural disaster to finish us off.

by ScienceFiction Sun Jan 03, 2010 03:26

Many of those on the climate change bandwagon just see an angle and want to use it as a political tool to limit china's, india's and africa's growth and impose new laws and lucrative cap and trade carbon taxes on their own populations. We've already seen raw scientific data "disappear"

On the other side you have Large corporations such as shell and Exxon mobil funding biased research to build the case for digging up and using every last drop of the highly lucrative fossil fuel deposits they can find, whilst making sure other methods of energy production get scant funding in comparison. Their corrupt activities in the Niger delta and closer to home in erris have been an eye opener to some.

Then you have the nuclear industry, a corrupt and profitable controllable centralised means of energy production who see an angle which might get their toxic and dangerous product back into the game under the guise of it being safer than fossil fuels for the environment

We can't really trust any of them.

All we can truly say is that it is no harm to be careful with our energy consumption and be mindful of any waste in our lives, but be slow to trust the messages coming from large corporate or government sources and their directly paid PR and scientific lapdogs on the matter.

Ultimately for things like energy, GM and climate science, what we need is some independent "open source" non corporate, non governmental new type of copyleft scientific endeavour not based on patents, secrecy, proprietary ownership of data and extending grants and which does not benefit directly from the particular results they might or might not get. I'm not sure this pipe dream is even remotely possible in this broken system right now.

Right now "truth" in science is no longer solid. It depends on who is controlling the money. There are lots of different ways of interpreting and charting the same data. And it is easy to lie with statistics. Politicians do it all the time.

by John Sat Jan 02, 2010 19:17

It is likely that both sides of the debate have valuable and useful points to make. The problem is that both sides now have large interests to protect and so will resort to less than honourable means to defend these interests rather than entering into a process of dialogue to reach some level of truth.
At some point though, each individual has to make a decision to act, or not, on the information they do have which will by the nature of information be incomplete and less than perfect.
I have made my decision.

by Marauder K Sat Jan 02, 2010 19:09

Here is another interesting clinate change video to add to the above list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto

by John Fri Jan 01, 2010 19:50

I've been looking at the renewed global warming/ climate change controversy a bit over recent weeks since the climategate incident.
I'm neither a scientist nor a researcher. I would have been coming at the issue from an eco-anarchist perspective (whatever that means?).
I have reached the following conclusions that are open to constant change;

The concept of anthropogenic global warming/climate change has become a focus for action for a large chunk of humanity.
The climate sceptic argument is largely but not exclusively propagated by the hydro-carbon industry who are looking to protect their profits and keep us in a state of business as usual.

The climate change/global warming movement has been picked up on by other financial interests who have found a way to profit from this latest phenomenon by imposing top-down solutions of dubious effectiveness like carbon taxes that have pissed off lots of ordinary people causing them to move towards the climate sceptic position.

Climate change researchers have resorted to dubious means themselves to protect their findings and interests (Politics and economics distorting science)

I do not know what the effects of emitting all this carbon will be. I have found convincing arguments of all stripes but it seems common sense that causing such a large change in our planet's ecosystem will set of a chain of events that we cannot control.

As such it seems sensible to try to slow down our carbon emissions but this is made next to impossible by the momentum of the carbon industry and our culture's reliance on fossil fuels.

It seems to boil down to; do we change our behaviour re fossil fuels or not? Given the above and also the other negative effects of the hydrocarbon industry. Wars, pollution, respiratory diseases etc the choice seems obvious.
Not that it will be easy .... at all, but so much of the climate sceptic argument seems to be an excuse for carrying on as usual. As such I ain't interested, though I am grateful for the heads up re the financial skullduggery re cap and trade etc. Not surprised though. That's just the way high finance operates. Opportunists
As an anarchist I'm interested in what I can do, in what we can do at the level of our communities to prepare for whatever happens be it global warming or other climate changes or just more of what we have been putting up with already.
For anyone else who's interested in taking effective action to look after themselves rather than arguing I'd recommend the transition towns movement that offers a balanced method for pulling ourselves through this time, together. Maybe..

by Bazooka Joe Fri Jan 01, 2010 14:49

"This really isn’t about polar bears any more" says wakeupfreakout.org. Indeed it isn't. That lie has been put to bed. The polar bear numbers have been growing substantially. Indeed I notice there is no mention of Global Warming in this story or the links. I suppose this isn't about Global Warming anymore, just 'Climate Change'? Like the polar bears, the Global Warming angle is now losing it's propaganda value since more and more studies are showing that the earth is in fact now in a cooling cycle.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092....html

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/26/satellite-measure...here/

http://www.ecoworld.com/global-warming/the-real-facts-o....html

as the lies of the IPCC are being exposed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8387737.stm

as more and more scientists are calling for an end to the Global Warming Scam

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php

Why don't you watch Phelim McAleers 'Not Evil Just Wrong' film? It has some real scientists in it, not the ones who have sold out to the billionaire corporations for soft money, like most of the 'Environmental' NGO's have.

http://www.worldwildlife.org/climate/climatesavers2.html

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=246

In that film and many others real scientists show how sea levels have risen and fallen dramatically in the earths history, just as it's temperature has. Sea level is not a constant and neither is temperature but there are those who deny this and try to push the myth of a constant temperature and sea-level. You might also consider that a warmer temperature would be better for life on earth as would more CO2. Plants grow better with more CO2 and heat. That's another fact that can't be denied.

Or look at this little talk

http://www.discovery.org/v/30

Here are good sites for current information

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/

http://www.climatedepot.com/

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

I don't care if silly people want to have a 'theory' about Global warming or Polar Bears drowning but when they intend to use it to found a global government with funding from the carbon taxes, so that they may kill billions of people then it is time to shout stop. All while the rich carry on as usual by paying carbon credits to the Rothschilds.

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/1756...y.htm

Environmentalists want billions to die off. This is the new Green Fascism of modern Eugenics.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5...2.ece

http://www.optimumpopulation.org/reducingemissions.pdf

http://www.overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the...-myth

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sierra-club/news/article.cfm?...num=1

Why not organise an event around the real information instead of Leo Murrays little idea to "chat bollocks about climate chaos". Enough of the "bollocks about climate chaos".