on growing marijuana

by the green leprechaun Tue Jul 07, 2009 04:43

notes: good seed is a must, from psychoactive stock as potent as possible, also look into cannabis indica, another strain, smaller, higher resin content in some cases.

by lulu Tue Jul 07, 2009 08:44

But be aware, all smoking is carcinogenic, & smoking can give you cancer in any part of your body - eating or vapourising 'M' is less of a health risk.

by maverick Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:16

it's not all happy-clappy, "green leprechaun". true-believer you may be but -

what about marijuana being stated by the Journal of the American Medical Association as being a "gateway" drug? is that ok? i think not.

also - the Office of National Drug Control Policy recently stated that more teenagers in the USA enter rehabilitation centers to treat marijuana addiction than alcohol or all other illegal drugs combined.

here's one for those claiming that marijuana is "good" for you. the British Lung Foundation published a report stating that marijuana cigarettes have up to 50% more cancer-causing agents than tobacco.

Yale University School of Medicine, said that people who smoke a lot of cannabis for a long period of time might be at higher risk of developing schizophrenia. anyone know of a person with schizophrenia? not a very laid-back scene, man.

you only have to read a list of court cases in newspapers to see how many offences are now being caused after some marijuana and / or mixing it with alcohol.

by Conor. M Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:31

''what about marijuana being stated by the Journal of the American Medical Association as being a "gateway" drug? is that ok? i think not.''

Of course its a gateway drug. Since cannabis is illegal you must buy it off a 'street' dealer. Therfore, this 'street' dealer is really only in it for the money, not the love of the product or the trade. In other words, he/she might want to sell you something stronger to use. Lets say we take it out of the hands of the dealer and into a recognised establisment. This would eliminate any chance of being offered any harder drugs.

Besides, gateway drug? Alchohal is a 'gateway' drug, but its legal...

''also - the Office of National Drug Control Policy recently stated that more teenagers in the USA enter rehabilitation centers to treat marijuana addiction than alcohol or all other illegal drugs combined. ''

I wouldnt mind seing some statistics to back up the above statement.

''here's one for those claiming that marijuana is "good" for you. the British Lung Foundation published a report stating that marijuana cigarettes have up to 50% more cancer-causing agents than tobacco.''

My friend, you dont need to smoke it, you can vaporise it, as stated in an above post. No smoke, just vapour. Not to mention you can eat and drink it in almost all types of food and drink. Also, I CAN 'claim' it is good for you. Dont take my word for it, read NORML - http://norml.org/ or other medical journals who recognise the medical properties of marijuana.

And again, could you show me this 'British Lung Foundation' report please?

''Yale University School of Medicine, said that people who smoke a lot of cannabis for a long period of time might be at higher risk of developing schizophrenia. anyone know of a person with schizophrenia? not a very laid-back scene, man.''

This is a contraversial one. Simply put, not enough research has been conducted. Im sure its not too good for your brain in the long run, but you run the risk, I do. You might like to know, incase you have the odd drink, alchohal is much more likely to cause schizophrenia, much faster, than marijuana.

''you only have to read a list of court cases in newspapers to see how many offences are now being caused after some marijuana and / or mixing it with alcohol.''

This last note is propoganda, pure and simple. I have read court cases where the 'drug user' was on marijuana... followed by a dangerous mix of other drugs and alchohal. Let me tell you, if you smoke a joint, or vaporise or eat it the healty way, you a'int commiting any ''offenses''. The only offense you'll cause is to your flat-mate for eating all their cookies.

Apart from everything I just said, why does it matter to you what I want to do. I respect the fact that you want to inform people of what you perceive to be harmful, but I think youve been tricked by the powers that be. Its illegal for a number of sinister reasons. Just remember, once it made you a murderer, then a satanist, then a communist, now your crazy, whats next?

But I'll use it if I want. Infact, your probably better off smoking dope than drinking. But of course, as usual, alchohal isnt a drug, its a drink!

Legalsie - prohibition makes people smoke contaminated weed. The strength is getting higher because its in the hands of criminals, therefore the money is lining the pockets of criminals.

worg dna pu teg

by CCCP Tue Jul 07, 2009 13:42

Almost half of patients treated for a cannabis related mental disorder go on to develop a schizophrenic illness, a study has suggested.

The Danish study, in the British Journal of Psychiatry, found a third of them developed paranoid schizophrenia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4486548.stm

by Steve Tue Jul 07, 2009 13:45

To criminalise something as widely beneficial and useful as cannabis is insanity. The only reason I can think of for its continued demonisation is that powerful vested interests would lose money and therefore power if many people had a patch of it at home. I'm not a smoker, much prefer sobriety, but I'd much rather be surrounded by stoners than drinkers when I go out somewhere.

by CCCP Tue Jul 07, 2009 13:47

A link between smoking cannabis and schizophrenia has been boosted by new British research.

Cannabis use made people at least 40% more likely to develop schizophrenia, according to a review published in the Lancet medical journal.

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=11910

by lulu Tue Jul 07, 2009 14:47

Statistics indicate that 100% of alcoholics started out on milk.

by Mike - Judean Popular Peoples Front Tue Jul 07, 2009 21:21

I would have thought that nicotine would have been the gateway drug for most junkies ?

by non-smoker Wed Jul 08, 2009 08:43

"To criminalise something as widely beneficial and useful as cannabis is insanity. The only reason I can think of for its continued demonisation is that powerful vested interests would lose money and therefore power if many people had a patch of it at home. I'm not a smoker, much prefer sobriety, but I'd much rather be surrounded by stoners than drinkers when I go out somewhere."

I'd broadly echo the sentiments there. However, from what I've seen, the notion that the benefits of cannabis outweigh the downsides of the drug is a false one. I've known a few people who took to the weed a bit too much causing some problems for themselves. It's no different from the many more people I know who took to the drink a bit too much before copping on (or not in some cases). I know it's used as a secondary argument but it makes the pro-legalisation lobby appear slightly disingenuous and even naive.

Also, the "vested interests" argument smack of conspiracy theory nonsense.

The simple fact is that it's a drug that many people enjoy using, causing no harm to anyone else. There are some medical benefits for some people but that's not relevant either. The arbitrary nature of the "morality" adopted by society to this drug versus other legal substances is a glaring contradiction. This argument and this alone is the most powerful proposal which should be pursued. A simple and reasoned point, completely solid against the protectionist nonsense spouted by those who would rather it remain illegal and in the control of criminal gangs.

The secondary arguments always seem to me to confuse the issue too much, allowing too much of an opening to counter-argument.

Also, I don't care how people choose to dress but every single pro-cannabis rally I've ever attended or witnessed had people acting out and dressing up as every cliché out of a Cheech and Chong movie. This doesn't exactly support the cause.

by wool over eyes Wed Jul 08, 2009 16:39

There are lots of interesting statistics about weed. One article stated that the teenage use or even trying of Weed in the USA is close to 80%. WOW. In the Netherlands its somewhere around 15%. Figure that one out. It prevents extremely sick people from having to pump their bodies of CHEMICALS for pain relief it is an appetiser, it relaxs people. Ok, some people don't agree with it, or it doesn't agree with them, but as one argument above stated ALCOHOL. really people, Ireland with the culture we have we cannot see the benefits of Marajuana. Stoned and disorderly would not be an offence. Furthermore, can it be said that a complete history of a person is taken into account when looking for spilt personalities. Did anyone think that the're slightly nuts already. The Vested Interests. Read the History of Marijuana. The plant itself has so may uses it did worry the big corporations. For example, VAN GOGH, he painted with oils made from Hemp oil (which is the name of hte plant), onto a hemp canvas, the light he painted by was hemp oil, the brush bristles, the handle of hte brush were all hemp. It can be used to make paper, clothes, cars can be run on it!!!! and the list goes on. Stastically one acre of Hemp plants would save 20 acres of rainforest. Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it. The wonderful business men of in the US, decided it was evil cause the cotton wouldn't get so much, the oil, the forestry.... Dear mother earth there is even a country or city in Asia (i cannot think of it Bangaldesh keeps clouding my mind but its something like that) that translated means fields of Marijuana but occupiers put a stop to that. In the last number of years the oldest man has been found frozen solid somewhere high in the mountains. And what did they find? a chillum (probably spelt arseway, sure im a stoner we cant function properly).... 10,000 years old and people are still not convinced. I wonder if all our wonderful writers didn't have opium to hand what kinda shite we would have been subjected to in school. LEGALISE IT, EDUCATE YOURSELF GO CHECK N SEE HOW MANY CHEMICAL MEDICINES YOU HAVE IN YOUR HOUSE.

by Non Smoker. Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:25

"I was never so glad as the day I quit drinking. Almost 20 years now. Alcohol is poison and destructive to the body. Worse, it lines the pockets of the rack renters. Come on Ireland. Awaken. The world fears that. Believe it. Marijuana is one of the most powerful expectorants known. It is a pain reliever, a euphoric, an appetite enhancer, and enhancer of certain other states of thinking and cognition familiar to its users, and very useful. Let us have some real Irish Green."

Definition of "Expectorant":

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=...24354

An "expectorant" is something which makes you cough.

Same as any concoction of chemical gases which your body automatically identifies as vile and foreign.

As for "certain other states of thinking and cognition".
I've seen it............ over and over again.

See:
http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

Quote:
"Burnout" is a term first used by marijuana smokers themselves to describe the effect of prolonged use. Young people who smoke marijuana heavily over long periods of time can become dull, slow moving, and inattentive. These "burned-out" users are sometimes so unaware of their surroundings that they do not respond when friends speak to them, and they do not realize they have a problem".

by Ken Lee Thu Jul 09, 2009 07:31

...do make immature choices. Taking this drug is more harmful than beneficial and it can burn a hole in your pocket.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

by wool over eyes Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:44

Its burns a hole less than alcohol does. Night out/in with a smoke. A big conversation, a laugh, a big munch and a great relaxing evening. A night in/ out with alcohol. Taxi, expensive drinks doing the rounds, maybe a night club. Then depending on how many immature choices you've made throughout the night, there can be anything from beatings on the street of innocent people, wetting yourself in public, or puking in public or all over some poor taxi man's livlihood. maybe coming home after a few whiskey and beating the other significant half, the wonderful hangover to deal with in the morning, by which time your still under the influence, the liver disease, the heart conditions, the mental problems, and the good auld Irish mentality of JUST ONE. Spare me the bull, its ignorance to say that there are no benefits to smoking. Its like saying we caused global warming. Has everyone forgot about the US testing atmospheric missiles? Or forgot about the natural cycle the earth is on since creation. People choose to believe things people in power tell them, without finding them out for themselves. Do we really believe all these politicians. If it was legal the criminals wouldn't be making a fortune, and people would be getting quality and not contaminated dangerous smoke. Now, its being sprayed with particules to give it more weight. This is not something that a Connoisseur would do. Someone with a bit of pride and not a stunkie that would cut the eye out of your head. There is a real problem with the eldery having to "deal" with these people in order to remedy the pain they get from arthritis, or cancer. So again would you prefer chemicals or natural substance.

by Mister Perfect. Thu Jul 09, 2009 19:34

I never smoke anything and I never drink alcohol.

Am I sad?

Or are the people who dope themselves sad?

Relatively sane people like myself have a simple word for people who dope themselves:

"Dopes."

.

by mike hogan Thu Jul 09, 2009 20:19

I have used Marijuana in it's many forms and I only started using it when I was 40 am now nearly 70. I have to admit that I was never a habitual or even a regular user. There are times though when I enjoy a wee puff now and then.

The very first time it did nothing for me at all and I could not understand what all the fuss was about, eventually the magic happened and the sensation of being mentally relaxed was wonderful. I also found that the peace and tranquility it gave me very beneficial, especially after having experienced a stressful situations as was Belfast in the 80's.
Alcohol did not do it for me, only bit of smoke gave me the chill out that I and others needed.

Years later I used it not so much for the chill out experience, but to find answers to deep questions while in a meditative state and it worked.

Yes I have met people who smoke too much and live in a lethargic state, others who drink too much to become a danger to others and themselves. Ultimately it is an individuals choice as to what they want to experience in life; it is not for me or anyone else to attempt to persuade or disaude an individual from making a life choice.

Let me put it another way I dont particularily like Christians but I wouldn't stop them from going to church.

I look to the day when marijuana is legalised, hopefully then we users will enjoy a better quality.

From my own experience using marijuana does not lead people into trying other drugs.

by wool over eyes Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:00

Agree with you totally Mike. Its alwasy uninformed people who like to throw out crazy accusations when not knowing anything about the subject. the comment about being a dope, so be it, as Mike has mentioned, it can allow for an enlightened state, i want to be called a dope....

People who don't smoke and don't drink alcohol could never be referred to as dopes anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone see the fiscal benefits for the country if same was to be legalised?

by steve Sat Jul 11, 2009 00:28

marijuanna should be legalised if only for the government to make revenue on it and to cut out criminal aspect to it, i read recently that the biggest killer of them all is prescription drugs as in the case of micheal jackson, does any one know the damage these cocktails of prescription drugs do to your liver far less the damaged they do to your physical and mental health. people please dont just listen to what the authorites say, they are in the pockets of the multi national drug companies. READ BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY, marijuanna has been used for thousands of year throught many cultures. misuse of any drug will have adverse affects

medicinal marajuanna is now legal in 13 US states this is due to increase shortly here is a link to the article please read

by The Green Leprechaun - Gaia Sat Jul 25, 2009 03:49

Marijuana has been a very beneficial drug for thousands of years, it only was criminalized by hearst/dupont/mellon (The 1937 Marihuana/Marijuana Tax Act) because of its value as fibre....it was competing with duponts patents stolen from the germans after ww1, PLUS (Here it is) a new machine had been invented, called the Hemp Decorticaor, which was to hemp what the cotton gin was to cotton....George Schlicten I believe, an American, patented it around 1915, and by 1920's it was making wood pulp paper cost prohibitive...dutch india hemp paper was always the best, and is still around from the 1800's while wood pulp fom the forties is already dust...

The navys of the world, literal military might, was based on hemp until after wwii and the plastics kicked in...read jack herers book called the emperor wears no clothes...

As for gateway drugs and schizophrenia, I am lighting my pipe with those, the liquor companies have their shills everywhere. Every cop I know in America says alcohol does nothing but fuel law enforrcement, and I know a few, and in fact am the last real cop, looking after liberty, and its a dangerous thing, let me tell you. Alcohol is the cause of violence, hence the police mens main meal ticket, they say they would be out of a job were it not for that spirit, those evil spirits. Ponder that please.

Thank you for commenting! Grow grow grow! Seed Banx r in Amsterdam.

by loststix Tue Apr 12, 2011 02:27

it will only be legal if done so in other countrys
ireland does not lead it follows
sure smoking inceases your chance of cancer but so does chesse and other things in our life moblie phone?
doesnt mean it gives it to you not every1 has the cancer gene in them
it can make you a lazy fucker and burnt out
so can drink
it is a drug and so is drink
both do different things
both can kill you or aid in your own or some1 else
dont take anything that changes ur state of mind and drive
i poster said 80% of teens in america for addiction to weed
they get caught by the law they have jail or rehab?
the income we could make of it?
really we are putting money into private banks to bail them out
not in a postion on that but not the way to go
should be over 21 can grow 5 plants
if caught selling it 5 years jail straight away
if under21 caught with it commuinty servus
and when caught the cops have the right to shearch ur place of residence
if your a 15 year old smoking on the streets have to be 18 to smoke(tobacko) what else they up 2?

and what are the parents doing?

law needs to change to free up the law on the main problems

to get the big fish