Hyland, O'Rawe de-selected

by Serge Thu Jan 04, 2007 22:27

Indymedia readers should judge for themselves by checking out the ISN's website at:

www.irishsocialist.net

Any reasonable reader will see that the ISN (which includes former members of SWP, IRSP as well as DL/WP) is far from stalinist or even Leninist. Few would share Vic-triol's view that people whose politics evolve are forever condemned by their past affiliation. After all James Connolly was once a member of the British Army.

by Donal Mac Thu Jan 04, 2007 16:16

Quoting Vic

'Also, beware of the ISN, which is composed of ex-Democratic Left and former Workers Party members including the former Dublin County Councillor Colm Breathnach. They are currently attempting to set up a party together with activist groups such as the Tipperary WUAG, Sligo Socialist Party (= Cllr Declan Bree) and the Crumlin ex-socialist party (= Cllr Joan Collins). Set up, or take over? You decide.

I would beware them all.'

What exactly should we beware of Vic? Is this a bit of red scaring or a case of Sinn Féin becoming paranoid about potential challenges on its left flank?

by A Town Wed Jan 03, 2007 16:29

Maybe Adams was reading 'Animal Farm' when he came up with his strategy for the way forward.

Related Link: http://www.phoblacht.net/TL020107.html

by Bert Wed Jan 03, 2007 15:37

Eirigi might not be a front for sinn fein, but sinn fein are an affront to Republicanism and all those who have died for the achievement of a United Ireland.

The 10 Hunger Strikers didn't compromise they died first, remember that.

by Vic Wed Jan 03, 2007 15:13

Éirigí will be brought back into the fold by Reddin & Leeson after the southern election, just you wait and see.

by Rees - Dublin Sinn Féin Wed Jan 03, 2007 02:31

Vic

How much are you willing to bet that Eirigi is not a front for Sinn Féin? You can expend as much energy as you like claiming that Eirigi is a front for Sinn Féin. You know its not true. You have spent the last six months slagging off people like Brian and those who left the cumann so why propagate the lie that Eirigi is a Sinn Féin front? You have no credibility amongst republicans in Dublin. Do you want to discuss why you were forced to quit your position with Sinn Féin in Dublin Central?

by Sharon. - Individual . Tue Jan 02, 2007 23:53

" You can't achieve a United Ireland by copper-fastening partition and this is what will happen once Sinn Fein get elected to Stormont. "

Is that not what happened when the Provisionals accepted Leinster House ?

Sharon .

by A Town Tue Jan 02, 2007 22:00

Hopefully any others who still regard themselves as Republicans will follow them out of Sinn Fein. All other Republicans should encourage our families and friends not to vote for Sinn Fein in this election because by doing so they will be eroding the ideals for which so many died.

The Shinners keep saying that their way is the way to a United Ireland, however we heard it all before from the likes of De Valera. You can't achieve a United Ireland by copper-fastening partition and this is what will happen once Sinn Fein get elected to Stormont.

by Dinner Spinner Tue Jan 02, 2007 21:13

Article in today's Irish News claims Mid Ulster MLA Geraldine Dougan has ruled herself out of the March elections because she is opposed to the SF policy on policing.
Stanton, O'Rawe, Hyland and now Dougan. Will any more join them?

by Ferry Tue Jan 02, 2007 17:55

The fact is support for the British police force that is the PSNI has been imposed on the Republican / Nationalist people by the DUP. $F has caved in to these demands solely because they want to be a part of a Government which they know will continue to keep the 6 counties part of Britain.
$F swore that they would replace the SDLP as the voice of Irish Nationalism. They have but at the same time they have become as weak as the SDLP ever were and it is they who now run scared of Paisley. No change there then.

by Info Mon Jan 01, 2007 02:33

The eirigi position on 6-county policing can be found on their website at following link

http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest301106.htm

Some extracts

"It is éirígí's considered opinion that the acceptance by some republicans of the proposed policing structures will have the effect of concretising British rule in Ireland and perpetuating the denial of democracy that this entails."

and

"In an Irish context we have the added complication of the British occupation. British policing in Ireland has always, and will always, have the protection of that occupation as its primary function. Regardless of changes of names or uniforms the first line of defence of the occupation will be the police. Historically this has led to overly-militarised police forces that were primarily tasked with combating those who would resist British rule. This was true for both the RIC and the RUC and will be equally true for the so called PSNI."

and finally

"Against this backdrop éirígí believes that the current debate on policing in the occupied counties is being conducted on the basis of a flawed logic, i.e. that a just and equitable policing system can be established within an occupied territory. We believe the two to be mutually exclusive."

by Bert Fri Dec 29, 2006 22:48

many nationalists will tell you that they vote for sinn fein to get one over on Paisley and this is the main reason that sinn fein have done so well in the North. They can't pull that one in the South therefore they continue to be the alliance party there. I wish that people would wise up and see sinn fein for what they are, opportunists.
If everyone of those ex-prisoners encouraged their family and friends to vote for others in the upcoming elections then we would be striking a blow for all who have died for the Republican cause.
It matters not who gets in as nothing will change, sinn fein have proved that.
The 10 Hunger Strikers never compromised, they died first.

by Eirigi-ISN merge Fri Dec 29, 2006 21:11

Is one of the earlier posters stating that Eirigi and the ISN are talking about merging? Do they share similar policies?
Are both of these groups going to support Davy Hyland in the forthcoming elections?

by A Town Fri Dec 29, 2006 19:20

I personally know of dozens of ex-prisoners who want nothing to do with Sinn Fein, but like me they are disgusted to the extent that they no longer care nor see anything on the horizon which will threaten Sinn Fein on their power hungry path.
I also know that there are a great majority of Shinners who are shackled to the party because of their jobs. They are employed in the many Sinn Fein schemes funded by the Brits and as everybody in the working class areas in the north knows, if its community based its Sinn Fein controlled. There are a lot of very prominent ex-prisoners employed and paid good wages by the Shinners, thus the leadership have control of what they think or say. Therefore others in the grassroots believe that if so and so believes in the leadership line then it's OK with me.

It's time that those people learnt to think for themselves and not believe everything they're told.

by Have to disagree Fri Dec 29, 2006 17:35

Declan Bree is a member of the Labour Party.

There is no Sligo Socialist Party. There is no Socialist Party activity at all in the Sligo area and if there was they certainly wouldnt entertain Bree as a member. He is not Left Wing Parsay

That said, if you have evidence of him joining the Socialist Party I would be nmore than appreciative if you could post it.

by Vic Fri Dec 29, 2006 17:29

Yeah, but watch out for Éirigí: I think most people out there accept that Éirigí is a front or "holding pen" for dissaffected SF members. Think about it: an activist group that prohibits membership with other parties, composed -or at least lead -by former loyal SF officers such as Stewart Reddin and Brian Leeson, which is currently engaged in campaigns not incompatible with SF - I would bet any amount of money that after the southern election they will be back in the fold with their following.

Also, beware of the ISN, which is composed of ex-Democratic Left and former Workers Party members including the former Dublin County Councillor Colm Breathnach. They are currently attempting to set up a party together with activist groups such as the Tipperary WUAG, Sligo Socialist Party (= Cllr Declan Bree) and the Crumlin ex-socialist party (= Cllr Joan Collins). Set up, or take over? You decide.

I would beware them all.

by Charlie Kerins Fri Dec 29, 2006 17:21

The analogies between the two are so striking, it's unreal.

So many Republicans have left Sinn Féin over on issue or another in the last 7 - 10 years, I would reckon there are litterally thousands of former SF members (there are over 15,000 former IRA prisoners in Ireland and clearly not all or even half of them are SF members!)

Perhaps it's time for former SF members and Republicans to unite and form an All-Ireland party or network of Activists? Between Davy Hyland, Pat O'Rawe, Martin Cunningham and those Councillors from South Derry that left SF, that would be a significant force in the north anyway.

by Pete B Wed Dec 27, 2006 21:08

They should stand as independent Republicans I would vote for them. Wouldn't it be great if they could take votes from $inn Feign?

Remember our dead Volunteers they didn't die for this.

by Who? Wed Dec 27, 2006 20:26

They were told not to select them by the false Republicans at leadership level. We've heard it all before from the Dark right up to Bernard Fox.

Adams or McGuinness couldn't lace their shoes.

by Reading between the lines Wed Dec 27, 2006 19:56

So the two fella's lost at the election convention, tough shit. Then all the "real" republicans come jumping onto indymedia and following BBC false reports of deselection. Get real its called losing an election convention. Then the "real" republicans go on about warnings to the grass roots which is amusing because it was the grass roots who decided not to select them for the elections.

by Who? Wed Dec 27, 2006 19:23

The de-selection of O'Rawe and Hyland is a warning shot to the grassroots before the upcoming farce that will be the Ard Fheis. Anyone with an opinion different to the leaderships will go.
Politics has definitely corrupted Sinn Fein.

by Pete B Sat Dec 23, 2006 20:46

Republicans should remember that when it comes to voting for $inn Feign that you are no longer voting for republicans but for a party that not only resembles the SDLP but is now following on where that party left off [ supporting the RUC, appeasement, power at any price, etc ]
All true republicans should now begin a push to undermine $inn Feign by a letter writing campaign much like the one carried out during the blanket protest. Only when the republican family fully realise the extent of $inn Feign's treachery will they stand up to the bullying of the leadership.
Write to your local press instead of putting all your opinions on the Internet. It could count.

Never forget the 10 men who died standing up to thatcher while the leadership of $inn Feign haven't even the the courage to stand up to mega-mouth paisley.

by Who? Sat Dec 23, 2006 18:09

I think that in the coming elections those who would truly call themselves Republicans should show their contempt for the leadership, those who have brought the movement to it's knees before the DUP and the enemies of Republicanism, by either spoiling their vote or voting for anyone other than the lackeys of Adams and McGuinness.
They may be able to stand over you threateningly when it comes to voting in their rigged Ard Fheis but they can't do that in the polling booth.
A good vote for Sinn Fein in the next election will only encourage the leadership to continue on their road to total Sell Out.

Remember our fallen comrades when you decide to vote, they didn't die for this.

I especially direct this appeal at those members still shackled to Sinn Fein because they are employed by them in their various schemes.

by Eirigi - Dublin SF on tour Sat Dec 23, 2006 13:54

This is a perfect opportunity for the group Eirigi to outline their opposition to policing by endorsing the candidacy of Davy Hyland. If these "independent" republicans are truly opposed to the current policing proposals of the SF leadership, then we can expect to see them offer Davy a ringing endorsement and their full support.
Beir Bua

by Dublin Dave Thu Dec 21, 2006 22:15

...I would say. The provos are currently in the process of shafting those who don't sing off the same hymn sheet as the "leadership".

by Bob Clements Wed Dec 20, 2006 22:47

Hyland was informed of his deselection -by text message. He wasn't present, either.

by Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink Wed Dec 20, 2006 20:53

An ex-stickie named Micky Brady has been identified as the candidate in question. Brady, it has been alleged, has been a member these last two months.

Cathal Boylan has been suggested as the third candidate.