Hare coursing savagery held in appalling weather conditions!

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Tuesday December 10, 2013 01:30

by Save the Irish Hare

Hares AND Greyhounds being forced to run in appalling weather conditions. Many greyhounds injured...

A true ecologist...

The admissions by hare coursing fans have been posted on an internet site, the same site that recentky hosted racist attacks on the Roma community in Ireland. They claim that many greyhounds have been injured owing to the harsh weather.

Below you can see the relevant page from the hare coursing/greyhound racing internet forum known as “Greyhound Nuts” (November 19th) which contains clear references to greyhounds sustaining serious injuries at coursing events organised in recent days due to adverse weather conditions.

The people discussing the problem are coursing fans, not animal welfare people, so there is no question of animal welfare people in any way embellishing the suffering caused to the animals in this situation in the pursuance of our objectives- a typical counter-claim to be expected from apologists for animal cruelty posing as "sport".

If the freezing grounds that have served as coursing venues over the past two months have contributed to so many dog injuries as these coursing fans allege the question arises as to what suffering was inflicted on the hares at those same venues. Dail Deputies, and members of the public, have in the past asked the relevant Minister, Jimmy Denihan, show mercy to hares forced to perform in inclement weather conditions.

Opponents of hare coursing are now urging him, and the TDs will be making the same appeal, to consider suspending the hare coursing season during such spells of freezing weather when the welfare of hares and greyhounds alike are so obviously and indisputably under threat. Though completely opposed to hare coursing we are also urging the Minister to, at the very least, attach new conditions to the hare coursing license obliging coursing clubs NOT to hold fixtures in such conditions, for the sake of hare and greyhound alike. At present, coursing events can be held literally in hail, rain, and snow...and even gale force winds that can blow the hares into the paths of the pursuing dogs.

Here are the claims on the Greyhound Nuts site:
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« on: November 19, 2013, 20:13:12 PM »
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have we all forgotton how hard the ground is.think myself worse now than ever.lots of dogs getting hurt.

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2013, 20:45:37 PM »
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your right the ground is still hard in the midlands and east,

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2013, 20:46:11 PM »
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you're absolutely right......serious injuries in most fields every week.
Weather forecast for the next two weeks is cold and dry so no respite in sight in terms of injuries.
A great year for everyone weatherwise unless you have coursing dogs!

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 22:40:07 PM »
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if the fields got a half hour of rain befor coursin it wud be the finest
ive seen dogs run in alot worse weather and nothin happen to them good dogs at that
when dogs get hurt its jus boils down to bad luck most of the time...

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2013, 23:01:59 PM »
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ground still hard but we cant wrap them up either. I was at receiving end of it last wk end but that's coursing. think some fields need a lot more than halve hour rain to be honest wat if.

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 00:51:18 AM »
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Ah sure i know and the day ya want rain it nevers happens...Hard ground has alot to do with toes and rists bein injured...But alot boils down to hard luck....

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ground in borris today must have been hard
bad luck on connections of injured dogs
but when i was out walkin fields here in the east this morn i thought anybody runnin dogs today is mad unless its different down south but lasts nights rte forcast seemed to give a blanket frost

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2013, 16:21:32 PM »
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that's true Paddy but we're almost in December and can't keep them in cotton wool any longer. More hard frost given for tonight so this weekend's meetings will be dangerous from a ground perspective.......what can you do??

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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2013, 17:12:23 PM »
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liam i honestly wouldnt run know its expected this time of year but id take a chance and hope things improved
i remember owners withdrawing dogs from champion stks on the mornin in clonmel not so long ago because they thought too much of their dogs

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2013, 18:12:20 PM »
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lads ,started this topic last week.think its time ICC looked at this.no point running for the sake of it.maybe recommend clubs give straight runs up,a line etc.

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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2013, 18:16:13 PM »
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Wat are the icc going to do bout it they cant change the ground

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I was in Borris-In-Ossory today and as much as there was a frost last night which didn't fully lift and which put coursing back half an hour but that wasn't the reason for the hard ground in my opinion. The ground is just hard simple as, we simply haven't had enough rain.

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I was in Borris-In-Ossory today and as much as there was a frost last night which didn't fully lift and which put coursing back half an hour but that wasn't the reason for the hard ground in my opinion. The ground is just hard simple as, we simply haven't had enough rain.

I'd agree with that, it was as hard yesterday as today with no frost on Wed night. We just haven't had enough rain simple as that, usually you'd never see anything like that many injuries as there was today in Borris. We've ran there every year since they started in that field and had an odd win in it too and it's a tough long field but it's well maintained and normally the ground isn't too bad but today was just unreal for injuries.

Has to be down to the fierce dry summer and autumn and the fact that there just hasn't been enough rain to get the moisture down into the sod and soften it. There were a good few withdrawals in Kilsheelan at the weekend too and at most meetings up this side so it's not just Borris had the problem.

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Every meeting I have been at this year it has been the same.

Hard ground and dogs getting injured.

I have been asking for clubs to water and it has not happened yet. This weekend I am heading to Killrush, this field is soft and it shows in the quality of dogs running in the stakes.

There is no dogs worth anything going to run on the type of ground that was in Borris.

Clubs please water.

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the problem today was where the shy was around the escape and the hare pen the shadow from tat never let any sun in at it and tat was where my bitch broke two bones in her foot and had to be put to sleep after winning her sf hard think to do and hard think to except but it was best for her.

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Quote from: James Coss on November 22, 2013, 20:12:55 PM

Every meeting I have been at this year it has been the same.

Hard ground and dogs getting injured.

I have been asking for clubs to water and it has not happened yet. This weekend I am heading to Killrush, this field is soft and it shows in the quality of dogs running in the stakes.

There is no dogs worth anything going to run on the type of ground that was in Borris.

Clubs please water.

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Think to be fair Jim it's been a bigger problem up this side of the country, I don't think our more southerly brethren got the prolonged dry dry spell we got thru Sept & Oct. Talking to the lads down that side their land isn't half as hard as it is up around the midlands.

At this rate of going even Tuohy will be fecking hard! And Crushers tells me that's a bog!

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hard frost here since 8.30
just been talkin to lifford sec and no frost there

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There are very different things going on within 20 miles of one another......

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I was out training the hares in Old Kilcullen today and the ground was perfect for coursing. Hope it stay's that way.
The amount of work clubs put into meeting's is untold and when the weather gets a grip for the worst it quadruples the members effort to course.
Best of luck to all clubs with their meeting's and hopefully the weather does not effect them.

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Fair play to Knockgraffon for having the foresight to cover the field last night. Made for a great days coursing today, cover her up again tonight lads & we'll look forward to more of the same tomorrow!!

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What's going well there Benny ?

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How much cost for covers for a field ? Would neighboring clubs buy a set between them and share during the season currently or do they reply on getting Clonmel covers etc?

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€800 +the vat would do it and you would have them forever more

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Quote from: balotelli on November 23, 2013, 18:30:53 PM

What's going well there Benny ?

I liked My Dream and Kingsmill Damson (who are meeting in the morning) in the Oaks, we have a runner in the Derby but outside of my bias for our lad I thought Rubys Magic & the Skellig dog were impressive. Derby & Oaks are very open, great coursing there, fantastic hares....

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Quote from: horndog on November 23, 2013, 18:54:12 PM

€800 +the vat would do it and you would have them forever more

That dosent sound too bad I know Irish weather can be unpredictable but if covers protected the course it would negate injury risk of hard ground to some extent maybe something the ICC could support in form of loan to clubs to help fund such purchases.

A grand spread out over 10 year loan wouldn't be hard on a club and they could probably even get a sponsor for such an amount.

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Sponsors would work...

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Sponsors would work...

great gester tom fair play to ya

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